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May 23, 2026

Not clear what the argument means

Representative nation state capital

Vibe of arrogance of the reordering of society –seems violent

Ancient systems?

Which technology?

How do we insure access to these technologies?

Daniel

You guys some of you have been here before so yeah I don’t think that anybody has like the answer I don’t think there is a the answer but I do think that people have ideas that can be worked on by more people getting more great power ideas to solve problems is like a good way to go about moving towards outcomes that we would so that’s kind of like feel like you’re getting this out it’s just you people thinking about it talking about it what’s your opinion on nationalism religion and the desire to obtain wealth and as the freeway to each other there’s a long term cognitive issue chronic social health problem we’ve been living through and these systems enforce that cycle they continuously repeating patterns of societal structure they showing definite progress in terms of what guarantee access to human organizational cover and relative safety also showed the tendency to make the same mistakes over and over again and only addressing small pieces of civilization and balance for the classes that inevitably exist in each age and variety of human collective and better I’m only referring generally to the last 10 to 12,000 years of human civilization resulting from the development of agriculture getting up struction of access to food and other human survival necessities behind gated human created systems of control where domination always enforced by violence or threatened exile from sexual comforts including socialization this. Includes the currently accepted 5000 years of high human civilization starting this summer in Egypt uh the grid of this problem seems to be the scaffolding our civilization is built on which reaches back all the way to the beginning of the current position cycle in various emerging societies and cultures where the cultivated foods not dominantly something like tubers or food that brought it but it said grains that could be stored confiscation and commodification of the group’s resource to coerce essence too and acceptance of coding noble class most likely made-up of people from outside greater earth and the tribes or possibly you know interior reading warrior parties was the impetus for civilizational development and that’s a big claim that we’re talking about for actually months ago the part that religion has played in human culture indeed religion itself has evolved extensively this has involved extensively since we’re getting which our behavior was secured by the rest of the time this is a long very nuanced and complicated historical subject to tackle my assertion at the beginning of this is talk is not intended to insult people who follow religious traditions that they are personally I don’t offer this part of my philosophy perspective business here I do understand the natural reaction to this statement will provoke and ioffer him preemptive apology as I don’t contend that anyone should lose their right to believe and live by guiding moral and social crises like spiritual nature I only wish to write everyone who participates to attempt to do this local presence of the spectrum of all human religions objectively instead of reacting subjectively from a defensive point internal to their personal religion I’ll stand by my assertion as I humbly request your patience while I try to present this position well in the form that exists in the way it’s amassed in generally worldwide recognized socioeconomic system that we all participate in regardless of political government type causes poverty wealth causes poverty there was a fundamental metamorphosis that began to take place in human day-to-day society as we transitioned from the tribal hunting and gathering practices that formats then contemporary basis to a settled agricultural model this also affected our religions as our settled cultures grew into city states civilizations which I’ll address next the important take away from the societal standpoint now it’s like day day labor ohh work began to become specialized instead of everyone having more generalized survival skills cultural items the everyday goods and technology that began to move away from totalitarian or survivalistic previously the main focus of daily life could be imagined something that changes the pursuit of your current food source ensuring we have adequate shelter from the elements along with protection from both environmental threats and other family travel groups and knowing humans trying to have sex we can also infer that people had before 10 seconds at least a rudimentary interest expression spiritual before the showers and animism market logical anthropological evidence supports

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Seems difficult to move from our present system to any other system

I think I’m on board. I’m very against structures of powers.

There needs to be a change. But what.

How will this next iteration of technology STAY liberating and not oppressive?

There’s a mind crisis at this time –learning, remembering, judgment –and people are being driven by urges. Something needs to change in order for people to take on that responsibility.

“Wealth creates poverty” –what do you mean?

How large we have gotten, it becomes difficult. Smaller democracies seem to be run better.

Daniel

No longer was the pursuit of food safety and shelter section on the present reality the concerns of daily life and culture began to flower the development of artisanal engineering skills along with single systems to represent language and concepts and basic maths our evidence is something that showed these factors and our parents human industriousness along with their apparently inherent human tribal hierarchical organizational tendencies contributed to the creation of what I would posit first forms of wealth starting with what I was talking about the qualification of the food we talked like restaurants food wealth land mineral wealth the wealth of creative architectural wealth and knowledge both early in this process what we would consider the alpha or chief or cheats of the family group and who can say what member or members of the group they work it’s just don’t know being forced to have at least some more weighted voice if not full say over the distribution of these newly created cultural goods what happened on the land claimed by the group now resources collected by the tribe of the village reviews etcetera not to mention first pick of the food and 1st reproductive choice for cultures that also include shamanism we can assume they right some of this decision making or directly on the author duties tower we can also see the evolution of this power dynamic and the status and power wielded by the God kings of the first city States and kingdoms involved in the reinforced by the evolving institutional religions of this era this is a good point to put it back to the religious aspect of this analysis from what we can discern of the extent data the early shamanistic animistic expressions which are strongly influenced by female sexual energy generation seemed to have been supplanted by the time the first kingdoms were according to brown analysts in their place were strongly patriarchal systems of belief giving more reinforcement to the divine right of rule 1 moment while working symbiotically with the state seeing context to the framework of behavior expected from members of society no matter what social class it’s unclear what prompted this incredibly dynamic shift in social purposes spiritual practices through the effect cannot be denied as a matter of fact the earliest time organizations mascot other super sorry the earliest high organic organized large civilization and relatively comprehensive data from because we don’t fully understand I cannot even be accurately described as a Kingdom you know before the rise of their first kings big men they were ruled by religious councils interpreting the will of the gods stop there’s a point to the superficial walk sorry do you want to just stop there that a good place for you to stop because there’s kind of like a the whole point of going through this yes OK now I guess we’ll just pay attention kind of a minute here um and by the way I apologize the reason I’m going through this is like I’m trying to like lay a groundwork sort of reason why I think we’ve kind of got to where we are why I I don’t think it’s like really corrects to keep doing it like this and it’s hard without going through all this I just don’t think you can like lay on the ground and whatever else so

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AI created a cult.

How do we tie together religion and governance?

How do we tackle this question? Learning, judging, rembering –knowing and awareness

It would be easy to see the status quo as “incredibly good” and Americans are well placed.

How can americans complain about class? Other parts of the world are more so. How do you organize w/out hierarchies?

Life has gotten markedly better since 1850s…

When did oppression of women begin? Would things be different if women had a different place/more power in society?

“A nation of sheep, ruled by wolves, owned by pigs” How do we get to a real democratic society from here? Violent revolutions re-create the systems they have destroyed. How do you evolve when one group has the power?

Who is the avatar of the machine god?

As long as money buys political influence, we can’t create democracy.

A lot of things change in an invisible way, but then come forward. Tipping points?

Always had some effect on or should we have existence with the power structure of the current social order as you grew into larger century organized civilizations this relationship grew to encompass keeping the bulk of the populace invaluable resource the producers of the various forms of emerging wealth behaving in accordance with the we’re almost social standards desired by separate structures while also accepting the moral right under elevated classes now we’re listening I started with just the religious officials and whatever version of the leader or dynasty again the culture I had as the civilizations grew in complexity so too were you strata of wealthy class is created due to cultural shifts rooted in the growth of different sectors of the economies or like urgent classes noble minded bloodlines elites based on existing knowledge except there’s a natural mechanism present and forms of life on our planet including humans that is recognized as a bus then dichotomy of the right of individuals not recognized as part of the month identified group resulting competitive survival action as being acceptable up to and including termination of life this often doesn’t take place on just an individual scale in humans the first expressions can safely be described as family and tribal identifications as settled civilization culturally more complex so too increase the layering of social structures and thus the amount of grouping resulting in bothering currently ethnic cultural remain strong expressions on a planetary scale while tribalism growing into modern nationalism and various large institutional religions compete in the same global arena and this is only the beginning of the separation and division presence in our current society however what can we synthesize from our brief look at the early development of this civilization cycle the power dynamic of humans evolving self identified groups had social structures that involve work that created forms of wealth control of various forms of this wealth so that further up the complex buying strategies socially powered classics guidelines for societal expectations and performed by religions that also created or reinforce the cultural acceptance of socially empowered classes and right of rule or lawmaking by the top level of the social hierarchy often offered as divinely inherited or bestowed is this something familiar to you instead of the small scale strength probably skirmishes I don’t know hallmark primitive tribal type human organization these new complexifying civilizations had a very different approach to other cultures they came to conflict with five seconds more the impetus to kill sacrifice one’s life or to command humans to do so because of the identification of a separate culture group as an ideological enemy of your nation became a devastating force add to the product group as a sign of evolution OK alright OK so now don’t don’t start this is all buggy buddy

Questions

The way wealth is being concentrated by billionaires and technocrats and what you’re saying about the cabinet resources is approaching what happened in the very unfortunate loss period so this means that we are on the due for another revolution?

1. Not necessarily. But it’s a danger. There’s not much hope right now. I want to have hope.

OK in the year 1900 the per capita GDP of the US was about $10,000 and these all these numbers are controlling for inflation so these are constant dollars so like 20-20 dollars in 1950 the per capita GDP was about 23,500 and in 2025 it was about 90,000 and these are all constant dollars again it’s per capita right so how did that happen what do you understand the nature of that phenomenon to be like how did that happen how did per capita wealth GDP increased so dramatically in 100 and some odd years?

1. A small amount of people have a large amount of money. So averaged out, it doesn’t mean individuals have access to that money. We’ve also gotten more efficient at extracting wealth from work.

Daniel

Both trade money and representative money must be addressed in this part of the conversation as he’s creating new wealth systems for power structures to exploit and thus they potentially important system integration for product Congress and other groups there’s another extremely complex subject that trade and money can be used though as an external tool for force application or power internal to courage courage to sign oppressions and enact the principalities and power structures eventually these financial systems became celebratory with trade daily commerce other forms of perception and access to money is equated with the concept of wealth in general by humans today in the context of this talk schools it’s not necessarily catalog all humanities like state political structures the emergence of the democratic idea does seem to be acknowledged as the best option by a priority of humans when Speaking of the evolution of democracy and of course the United states will be brought up the forefront of the goal that case firstly the state of human social progress in this section of the world time of the nations founding can be charitably described as problematic there was both a level of pragmatism and exploitative intent evidence that the original design of the country’s parish shelters the version of representative democracy we settled on at the beginning of the American experiment was inspired by other human examples was not supposed to be an end of state versus our progress and obviously starting to to change our human global stage in terms of political thought

representative democracy is outdated because of human technological and social progress. in addition because of said current socio economic systems in which exists it ends up creating what it is supposed to remove: a ruling upper class of society just like an autocratic monarchy or theocratic political systems. the difference is the access to attaining said upper class status and the reasons set status is defending this morally right direct democracy coupled with guaranteed access to across the board high quality education housing healthcare food transportation and recreation is the goal to move towards.

part of this movement towards that goal based on earlier assertions should it be ability of people for any one person family company organization or nation to amass control of a material resource land resource data resource on what currency or financial resource that system and framework thinking has to be committed if there’s no need to amass that wealth to have the things you want to have access to them so have a good quality of life enjoyment and recreation you want and the ability to be able to be creative and active society and efficiently

If we had what we desire it would eliminate the significant amount of audience society and the impetus for a large portion of crime as well it is untenable to move or to have true systemic change in the direction that is desirable

through totalitarianism workforce four years I’m worried that because of the inertia entrenched power structures indoctrination and other culture and ability to cope descent that are inherent in the existing national societal structure of humanity systemic change would only be remotely possible under a few conditions massive die off due to war or cash categories there seems to be an integral part of these types of scenarios which is of course not the desirable path to take towards the wall maybe however I’m getting the impression that the possibilities are shifting into multiple factors on almost like a couple paragraphs there’s a paradigm shift coming into movies it’s like it’s not incomprehensible to us the way being this correct I think the following statements and put that together and start to paint some startling possibilities worldwide instantaneous communication while more and more of us plugged into each other’s daily lives through various social media the growing ability because of the social reality to stop any piece of data information grace to understand creates the machine bioengineer intelligence that is beyond our current natural human operating parameters and potential the creation of artificial body parts that also surpassed current normal human operating parameters integrated human interfaces with technology they continued evolution of 3D printing technology with the goal of being able to reuse raw materials instead of assuming local manufacturing use these are just the tip of the iceberg that I couldn’t miss the top of my head when I read this there’s an opportunity now to build together face to face planet wide and newly realized and fully democratic phase of development in keeping civilization that seems unprecedented as far as we know an opportunity to build an alternative just working on organizational political stories of the past 100 years I reject marks Smith and those who’ve iterated on their ideas since as the pinnacle of human social theory thought and evolution in the macro scheme of things politically speaking these long dead humans seem to form the foundation of all computing left or right factions across large swaths of the planet hopefully this is not the fault dear voting systems that have been utilized our humanity to reach a point where we can consider making a solution to this magnitude or even just our planning for it that’s propaganda yes I recognize the irony the system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds that’s exactly why the most folks like me should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream until everyone has everything they need yes there’s been a legacy of different types of subjugation throughout our discernible history since the agricultural revolution that began standpoint regional festivals the breadth of variety and inventiveness of this exploitative of control mechanisms that extreme violence these seem to be a remnant of hierarchical wait hold hold on you’re still still going this is literally the last part OK OK so these seem to be a remnant of hierarchical restrictions practice not only by our forebears but by other forms of social forms of life on our planet in other words now here is the question would you acknowledge that an essential part of humanity’s unique evolutionary path of building our civilization so far has been removing ourselves from natural processes or their ability to affect this this is rich material for discourse and debate starting with an Android 2000 alright so now uh

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Equal protection clause makes it difficult to experiment.

The greatest stumbling block to democracy is money.

The world should be more of a tribalist democracy than a large scale democracy. Keep things at small scale.

Democracy could be people messing with the vote. But we probably have the technology to address that now.

What do actual humans want? How does this fit with their goals in life?

Supremacy of politics is an assumption.

Our reps don’t know us and we don’t know them. Would direct representative democracy fix that?

Fact Checks

Working democracies: Bhutan

Final Thoughts

Other than Bhutan, not many democracies work